LEGION Phoenix Thermogenic Fat Burners & Weight Loss Pills - 30 Servings, 90 Capsules (Caffeine Free)

I have had Phoenix for a long time. It has been used off an on as need for many months. So lets look at the first time shall we? My 'specs' : - Year 2015 - Male - 230lb - Height 5'11 - Diet 2000-2100 calories daily - I was taking the following supplements while using Phoenix: LEGION Triumph - Daily Multivitamin for Women and Men, Best Workout Multivitamin, All-In-One Bodybuilding Multivitamin with Minerals, Energy Multivitamin That Really Works - 30 Servings, 240 Capsules LEGION Whey+ - Best Whey Protein Powder for Weight Loss, All Natural Whey Protein Isolate, Lactose Free Whey Protein, Best Bodybuilding Whey Protein Powder Isolate - Dutch Chocolate, 30 Svgs, 1.91 lb Nordic Naturals - Ultimate Omega, Support for a Healthy Heart, 180 Soft Gels I go into great detail about this because I believe ALL vitamin supplements are -extremely- dependent on the person and their diet and exercise. The results I will write are for me and my situation. The Review Phoenix Consumption Trial 1: Product was taken with Breakfast and Lunch. I took this product weighing 230lb during 3x a week resistance training at the gym. During my workouts I forgot my original goal was weight loss and was consuming WAY more food than my fat butt needed. I kept doing it though because the gains in my lift were huge and I sorta just forgot about my weight. Anyway, I started taking Phoenix due to the quality I have come to expect from LEGION and with the intention of losing some pounds. Plus I kinda just wanted to test his product. Without changing my diet and eating 2000-2100 calories daily I started losing weight at about .25lbs the first week and it eventually snowballed into about about .5lbs a week from there out. After about 3 weeks I realized the product was clearly working and lowered my calories down to about 1700-1800 and began losing 2lb a week. This was to be expected though as I discovered that at about 2000-2100 calories my weight just idled, so I had plenty of fat to burn at 1700-1800 calories. I road that fat loss train all the way down to 190lbs with a consistent 2lb a week loss. At the end of this I was at about 1600 calories daily as I had to stop going to the gym due to not respecting the weights (oops). This ends Trial 1: Phoenix Consumption Trial 2: Product was taken with Breakfast and Lunch. Well Christmas came and Birthdays arrived and I was still out of the gym due to injury. I had boosted my weight back up to 210lbs and configured my diet to 1600 calories and started with just eating better. At the time I was not taking Phoenix. Due to not going to the gym in such a long time my metabolism must have crapped out as I was not losing or gaining weight. Hey I have an idea......Phoenix :) . So I tested it again while doing 1600 calories daily. Surely enough something kicked in and I began to see weight loss again. Well played Mike. After a few weeks I began regular exercise to boost things up again and am now at 198lbs. The Result: Short story. It works if you know what your doing. This is a natural supplement, not a solve your cake eating problems pill. I cant see how this wont cause weight loss if you already track calories and just need a small edge. If you just blindly eat clean or healthy or poorly or whatever you want, there is no possible way you can prove this is doing anything. You need to either accept that it is, or do math like I did. Or just accept my math, whatever floats your boat. Side Effects: The product claims it does 3 things. Lets review how it affected me: 1) Weight loss. a) Obviously, just read the saga I wrote above. 2) More Energy a) Honestly....I cant speak for this. I was already taking great supplements and eating very very good. I felt like I could crush the world, so if I got even MORE energy from Phoenix, I have no way to actually track that. I surely didn't feel less energetic. 3)Fewer Cravings a) Yes. This is true and I noticed this without realizing it at first. I bought this with weight loss in mind and never considered the 'Fewer Cravings' part because I never cared about that. During the trials of Phoenix there were many times I would have to eat a small breakfast and a few hours afterwards I was confused as to why I just didn't really feel that hungry. I was always hungry after a s***ty breakfast like a granola bar. Well, every time it was during Phoenix. Please be aware that the "Fewer Cravings" in Phoenix is the 5-HTP and the effectiveness is only there WHEN TAKEN WITH FOOD. As well as the product increasing the thermic effect of food (Synephrine). ONLY take Phoenix with your meals and try to use the biggest meals of the day or you will lose effectiveness guaranteed. The science is there, but its up to you to follow it accurately. Just take it as the bottle says. All in all this is a very well made product that gives you a slight edge in weight loss. Its by no means needed in the slightest way as you can easily combat weight loss by proper dieting. However if you want to give yourself every edge then Phoenix can and will help you. If anyone has any questions let me know and ill be happy to answer. I hope this helps some of you out there. The insane TL:DR: The product works if the following applies to you: 1) You understand its giving a slight edge on your already proper diet / Exercise. (This isn't a free pass to Burger King) 2) You understand how the product works so you dont take the supplement improperly. ( Taking them with your biggest meals and not taking all 4 pills before bed because you 'forgot'. Your fault) 3) You recognize this supplement was designed with your health in mind first and weight loss second. ( A healthy way to lose weight without destroying your body in the process )

I've been using Legion products for well over a year now, having started with Phoenix as part of a cut. Fat burners I've used in the past include OxyElite Pro (before the ban), HydroxyCut, and BSN's thermogenic (I do not recall the name). There is no question that my best results have come while using Phoenix. I will hedge that statement by also mentioning that my diet has been at its best while using Phoenix and I'm more experienced with weight training than I was when I used the other products I mentioned. Even so, when I was at 20% plus body fat, adhering to a clean, calculated diet, and sticking to an (relatively) intense 5-day training regimen while using OxyElite Pro (which I consider to be the second most effective fat burner I've used), the rate of fat loss I experienced then ("easy" fat I call it - those of you who have made a big cut know how much quicker the trip from 20% to 15% can be than 15% to 10%) was not nearly as impressive as when I used Phoenix (15.3% down to 9.5%). Pros of Phoenix 1. No jitters - I have high caffeine tolerance and I suspect some amount of jitters I experienced using the other products were related to non-caffeine ingredients. Can't prove it, but that's my intuition - I know my body pretty well. I love that I can still drink coffee in the morning. Lastly, and most importantly, Phoenix not having caffeine makes me feel a little better about using Legion Pulse, the pre-workout formula (which I recommend as well) which includes caffeine. 2. Easy to swallow pills - Aside from vitamin D, these are the smallest pills in my supplement stack, which includes a multi-vitamin (Orange Triad), fish oil, and green tea extract upon waking. 3. Effective when used correctly - if you take the correct dosage, maintain a caloric deficit (this is essential - you absolutely cannot lose weight unless you use more energy than you take in), and engage in a vigorous strength training/cardio regimen, you will lose weight. Period. What surprised me most was that, on my trip from 15.3% to 9.5%, I didn't plateau at 10-11%, which has happened in the past (to me and others I know) without significant diet changes (e.g. low-carb, intermittent fasting/fasted training). Cons 1. As with any product, it may not be right for you - I know many who desire caffeine in their fat burner and I can certainly vouch for its effects. For non-coffee drinkers and non-pre-workout users, this may rule Phoenix out for you. The product's effectiveness, Legion's outstanding customer service, and the transparency about the ingredients and simple (but effective) explanations backed by science make this a five-star product, in my opinion.

I'm just ending my 30 day trial of this product and I have to say that the product did not do anything positive, as was advertised, for me. It actually appears the advertised effects impacted me negatively. The product boasts three fat loss/burning effects: *More Energy, *More Fat Loss, and *Fewer Cravings I took this product every morning and afternoon with my meals. In the morning, typically taking with caffeinated tea as to maximize the effects by taking with caffeine. My breakfast either consisted of an egg + egg white muffin or/and orange juice mixed with one scoop of Maximum Vibrance(https://www.amazon.com/Vibrant-Health-Vibrance-Multi-Supplement-Futurefood/dp/B00SK661Q8?th=1). For lunch I typically meal prepped high fat, high protein and low carb options: including ground turkey, ground bison, chicken breast and some vegetables (typically asparagus or sweet potatoes). I am a 30-35 year old male, this is the first "fat burner" I've ever tried. 1/10/17: before taking this product I weighed 201.5 lbs and had been out of the gym for about two months. 1/24/17: I purchased a new gym membership and started taking this product, I weighed 204.5lbs 1/26/17: All of my stats except my weight are the same, same waist and chest size at 38in and 42in respectively MyFitnessPal Weight Stats: 1/1: 201.2lbs 1/12: 203.6lbs 1/20: 204.8lbs 1/31: 203lbs 2/09: 202.2lbs 2/15: 205lbs 2/26: 208.8lbs Strava Run Stats (*Not all activities logged): JAN 23 - JAN 29: 6.5mi JAN 30 - FEB 5: 8.1mi FEB 6 - FEB 12: 5.4mi FEB 13 - FEB 19: 6.9mi FEB 19 - FEB 26: 6mi (Admittedly I've been running less with more time spent in the gym, I assumed while taking a fat burner ) Pros: ** None Neutral: ** *Fewer Cravings: Perhaps provided slightly fewer cravings at times, although this product never once killed any desire to not snack or over indulge ever. Negatives: ** *More Fat Loss: Gained a total of 4.3 lbs ** *More Energy: While taking this product I felt increasingly more tired throughout the week and on the weekends even when I was able to sleep in. I would frequently needs naps after work (after working 6:30AM-3:30PM, I would get at minimum 7 hours of sleep at night, I typically run 2 miles after work every other day and walk with my dog immediately after work every day) I'm going to post a follow up to this post after another month off of this product to see how things have changed.

I really like this fat burner. Actually I shouldn't call it a fat burner as much as a weight loss aid. Out of all the "fat burner" type products I tried I like this best. First of all it does work. It does what it says it will do not like many other products that make bold claims and don't deliver. In fact I have tried Legions Protein and Pulse and both of those are excellent as well. Back to Phoenix... you can expect this product to help you in your quest to drop pounds and do it without making you feel all jittery and horrible. It does not have caffeine which I like because you can have your coffee or pre-workout without over dosing on caffeine. I feel it really helps with appetite control which is really what you want if trying to lose weight. I gave it four stars because of the price. Not terribly expensive but pushing it. I suppose you get what you pay for. Overall I believe Legion products to be top notch and no BS. I will continue using their products to help reach my fitness goals.

I purchased this product in anticipation of going on my first real cut, and took it according to the servings on the bottle and had extremely bad GI issues, then I tried cutting the dose in half with no relief. Without getting too involved, the product simply did not work for me because it was causing such extreme GI problems that I had to halt all use of it. I tried taking it with soluble fiber, large meals, small meals, and every other way I could for a week before giving up. That is the bad part of the whole thing....the good part is that I voiced my concern to Mike Matthews who heads up Legion Supplements and he worked with me on the problems, giving me one on one directions for various possible solutions to my stomach issues and offered exchange product (Legion has some other really great supplements, Pulse and Triumph both have helped me workout incredibly) and apologies when I was unable to make the product work for me. I then gave the rest of my Phoenix to my friend who works out with me and he claims it is absolutely fantastic and he is seeing great results. So, moral of the story, I think I am in a minority of the population with not being able to stomach Phoenix, but it is still an effective product for most, and the company itself is reliable and ethical, which is more than can be said about nearly every other supplement company I have ever contacted. Some tips for taking this product: -Start slow, half serving size to test for stomach irritability -Take it with food and a source of soluble fiber (fruits, veggies, etc.)...it helped my symptoms, but was unable to solve them, I have a feeling this will help a majority of the population stomach this product without any issues -Don't take your first serving with coffee....if you do experience stomach issues like myself....it makes for a real long morning when compounded with the bowel-emptying powers of coffee -Start it on a day where you don't have urgent plans for the early morning or mid afternoon. Even when I had my worse stomach issues they cleared up after 2-3 hours....but those were a tense 2-3 hours if I had plans or was at work.

I want to start off by saying that I am a supporter of Legion. The supplement industry is incredibly sketchy and cryptic, therefore it's refreshing to find a company that is transparent about their ingredients and usages. I have used Legion Pulse, and loved it. If you're out of pre-workout, and looking for a new one to try, go for that one. It is spectacular. HOWEVER, this particular supplement did not work for me. Now, there are tons of factors that could contribute to that fact. I am fairly strict with my diet, though not to the calorie, so it very possibly could be that the variability in my intake is too significant. The problem I had was the way my body responded to the supplement. As many have mentioned, this did a bit of a number on my digestive track. I also felt like my workouts suffered somewhat. And undoubtedly, this should absolutely be taken with food. I felt substantially nauseous the one occasion I took it without. And although I cannot attribute my lack of significant weight loss to the ineffectiveness of the supplement I can pretty confidently attribute the side effects to it. Now since that is largely a negative review, I want to address why I gave it three stars. Legion has been very responsive and invested in getting to know my experience. I replied to their email mentioning that the product did not work well for me, they were quick to respond and seek out resolutions. It is quite possible that my experience is relatively uncommon. I'd imagine many experience the side-effects, but their bodies are more responsive to it, and therefore the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. Some of the details of nutrition, such as supplementation, are quite variable. So I don't have any intention of drawing conclusions about the effectiveness of a supplement on the overall population by my one experience. They received three stars because Legion has proven it is interested in the satisfaction and well being of it's customers. Read the reviews and be aware of how it might affect you. Perhaps it will work well for you. Probably a smaller chance you have my experience. If the latter is the case, you can be sure that Legion will do what they can to make sure you are happy. They generally will refund or replace if you are unsatisfied. That to me, marks a commitment to their consumers.

5/19/15 REVIEW UPDATE!!!! My first review of Legion P. fat burner is below, I figured why delete it, it puts things in to perspective. I competed in 2 bikini competitions since my first order of this product and couldn't be more pleased. I just received my second bottle today and I was mega excited to start again. This is definitely my to go competition prep fat burner and as a matter of fact my always and forever fat burner hahahaha. Yes, it's the best product out there and I've tried close to about a dozen simiar products, none like Legion. My progress pictures speak for themselves! Please keep in mind without a proper nutrition, the right supplements and enough sleep you can take whatever fat burner you want, the right results will never come. It is imperative diet, exercise and sleep go hand in hand with a quality fat burner such as Legion P. If any of you has questions you'd like answered I'd be more than happy to give feedback. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATTENTION ORIGINAL REVIEW BELOW!!!! "It's a bit early to leave a more in depth review and I will come back in a couple of weeks with updates. So far so good, today was my first day trying this product. I'm a few weeks out from a fitness competition and I would love to come in a bit tighter. I used another fat burner before this one and couldn't take the full dosage as recommended; also I couldn't have my daily coffee which is most important to me because I do intermittent fasting and I need my fuel in the am. I took Legion Phoenix this morning with a super concentrated green tea to which I added butter, heavy cream and MCT oil (I've been doing Keto for almost 1 year now) and I have to admit it gave me so much more energy, I was able to last through the day fasting. I had no jitters, I did not experience loss of energy and after eating my dinner I had enough energy to do a 15 min really intense HIIT session. Soooo, bottom line, I have to see over the course of next 2 weeks what progress I'll make on it, but so far tolerance wise I LOVE IT!!!"

So I sent the Support team this message (below) wanted to give them a chance. They basically told me to not pay attention to measurements, and only eat a said amount of food regardless of workouts. WOW.. that advice is contrary to every book on the market about supplying adequate calories to your burn ratio, otherwise you will loose muscle. I am struggling to find any proof that the product is working. Since Aug 15th I have been taking the recommended dosages of both products. I have lost 0% body fat. Its been a frustrating struggle I have had for as long as I can remember. I am not overweight, I am an endurance athlete. During my races I hover about 170 lbs. Im 5' 10" BMI is 23/24. My weekly routine is as follows: 6:15 AM Monday, Wed, Friday - Team Training (TRX,Cardio,Weights, Core) for 1 hour. I use both products during these days. Wednesday I have a evening Interval training session on the MTB for about 20 Miles. Tuesday and Thursday I swim 1000 yards. (18-30 min) Only using Forge during these days. Saturday and or Sunday I am doing about 30 Miles on either my road or mtb. Every Day I have been taking the Forge Product. (and now the product is gone). I Measured my body fat on Aug 13th with a reading of 19% Today I measured again and I am at 19%. One last factor I know you will question is my diet. My Net calorie goal is 2000, I am always 90% of that goal most days (Using MFP to track). I do not eat saturated fats, I eat lots of veggies, lean meats and mostly protein shakes after workouts. What gives??? I don't understand these reviews saying they have used the product for 2 weeks and LOVE it.. I call BS on that as I believe they are just feeling the placebo effect. How could you possibly know its working unless you measure.